Florida Bar Exam Results for July 2022 Are A Disaster

 

Jackson :           Well, Hey everybody. Welcome today is Wednesday, September 21st. We got June and Megan here. I actually feel semi human. Thank you for covering for me. Uh, particularly, uh, last week, Megan and June. Uh, that was great. And you know, but I'm back, [00:00:30] I'm back and, uh, we are ready today to talk about Florida results and some other results. We'll answer some student questions and, uh, we've got a few things to talk about. So welcome, Megan, how are you today?

Megan :            Yeah, doing well. I'm glad you're back, Jackson. I have to say, uh, it's you know, not as much fun when it's just a monologue. <laugh> for me, just hear myself talking for 45 minutes. No fun. So it's much nicer when I get to chat with [00:01:00] you about all these things, rather than just rattle them off.

Jackson :           <laugh> that's good. Well, I, I appreciate it. It was a tough week. Uh, physically, it was a tough week. There was just a lot going on and this week has been a crazy week as well, and we are headed towards Bootcamp and we've got lots to say there and June. I know you've got lots to, to talk about with us, with Bootcamp as well. So Megan, I'm gonna kick it back to you and, and you, uh, you started off and tell us where we're headed.

Megan :            Awesome. All right. Well welcome everybody June. So good to see you. Um, [00:01:30] I'm so excited that I get to see you in person soon at Bootcamp. It's so fun since we work across the country from each other. It's always a good time. Um, June, let us know first off what's happening with group coaching. Uh, I think it's all underway now, correct?

June :               Yeah, the gangs all back, uh, all the coaches are in session as we call it. So it's super exciting to have everybody back. Um, remember group coaching calls are open [00:02:00] to every registered student. It's part of your course. You can attend 1, 2, 3, or all four. Um, so tonight at 8:00 PM is my mindset group coaching call. I focus on mindset. If you're filling overwhelmed, join me. As I posted in the group for the one mindset shift you can do to stop filling overwhelmed all the time. It really does work. Uh, so that's 8:00 PM Eastern 5:00 PM [00:02:30] Pacific tonight. And then Sunday is Bob. If you need some motivation, Ray of sunshine need to be like, why am I doing this to myself? Go to Bob's call. Um, he is a former student who passed with Celebration and he's an amazing coach. Uh, especially if you're a foreign trained attorney.

June :               Um, his call is, I believe it noon on Sunday, but again, events check the events in the [00:03:00] group. Those are always right where my mind doesn't remember everything all the time. And then Amanda is back. Uh, her first call was this past Monday. I heard that it was amazing, uh, from a few students. So Amanda is Monday's at noon Eastern. She does a great lunchtime call. She is also, uh, alumni and a student that passed with CV. So joined her call. And then Brianna is on, uh, [00:03:30] Tuesdays at 6:30 PM Eastern. And if you need, what do you say, Jackson, drill Sergeant kicking the butt. Like if you need to figure it out and, and just have someone to really hold you accountable with love, cuz Brianna's amazing and such a fun person join Brianna's call. Like you will not regret it. Uh, so that's where we're at with group coaching again every week, all the same links, [00:04:00] all the same for the same coaches, everything's in the events. You don't even have to think about it. You just go there on that date at that time, click on the zoom link and you're, and you're in and that's it awesome.

Jackson :           And we want to congratulate Brianna. She just made partner in her law firm.

June :               Yes.

Jackson :           So, you know, it's really exciting, isn't it? Uh, to see people come through, pass the bar, get into their legal careers. And then after a little bit of time really starting to shine their careers. I also want to call, uh, [00:04:30] I want call attention to Philip Boro. Who's a Florida attorney. He passed with us. He's just opened his own firm and he is absolutely killing it. Um, doing criminal defense work. I don't, I don't mean that like <laugh>, but he's doing a great job with his firm. And so congratulations to him. And there are many of those stories, but it's always fun to hear from our former students and to see all the cool stuff they're doing. So,

June :               And it it's so exciting because at one point they were all on my group coaching [00:05:00] calls. Yeah. So it's amazing. Like you said, to really see them flourish and shine and do, do what they're here to do.

Jackson :           Yeah. And Megan, I mean, you don't look old enough to have, you know, taken all these people through this all these years, but you know, you got that, that same experience right. Of, of raising your babies through this and come out and practice. It's pretty cool. Isn't it?

Megan :            Yeah. It's really awesome to see people. And that's, you know, we, I know we talked about this a lot. That that's really why we do what we do is because we know that [00:05:30] you all are such amazing people who will add so much to the legal profession and we want to help you do what you need to do to get over that hurdle so that you can move on in your career and do the things and accomplish the goals that you have in front of you. Um, and it's really amazing to see that happen. So yeah, it's, it's really, that's so great. I love hearing that

June :               Stuff. It's funny, Megan. I always say on my group coaching calls that, you know, we become friends after a while and I adore everybody, but if I never see them on my group [00:06:00] coaching call again, I will be so thrilled. It will not, you know what I mean? Because that means they've passed and they're moving on and they're going to go do great things.

Megan :            Exactly, exactly. That's what I always say too, with my last call with students, you know, we work so closely together over a period of many months, and then I say, I hope I never see you again. I hope you never see me again. <laugh> that would be, that would be the thing that would make me the happiest because you've passed and you're done and you never have to think about the bar exam again, which is great. [00:06:30] All right. Awesome. Uh, just one programming note real quick. There's no webinar next week. Um, I Jackson and I both will be on vacation. I don't know. Jackson is not great at taking vacation, so I don't know how much he's actually cutting back, but I will be having no calls with my students next week. Um, I will be celebrating my birthday and enjoying time with family, um, and getting, uh, going and, and enjoying the sunshine. So, um, yeah, [00:07:00] so there will be no webinar next week. We will resume again after that and be on a regular schedule.

Jackson :           Yeah. And I, I will be doing some calls Megan's right. Um, but uh, June will also be here to cover everybody and of course we'll still have results coming in and a lot going on. So, um, we're just taking off that, that week. And then we start to get close to the four month period before the February exam that happens in mid-October. So this is kind of our last, uh, opportunity to catch our, our breath. And then we [00:07:30] jump into Bootcamp and then we're, we're off to the races. I mean, it's, it's, it's on at that point, so yeah.

Megan :            Yeah.

June :               And I'm glad y'all brought that up. Sorry guys, to jump in and, and hijack again. I won't be doing group coaching next Wednesday. So just tonight. Yes. Next Wednesday. No webinar, no mindset, group coaching. And then the next week we're all back and resume as normal. But yeah,

Jackson :           We

June :               Here all next week. If you need me.

Jackson :           Right. We do try to coordinate this. I know it doesn't seem, [00:08:00] but we do. So there you go. All right, Megan, give it back to you.

Megan :            Yeah. See that's what happens when you work in bar exam world, is that you have to schedule your vacations around the bar exam. So everything is, oh, no, I can't. I can't leave in July. That would be right. Everything's sort of like the end after people are in their, uh, in their tests or before the February exam. So yeah. Wonderful. All right. Uh, one last announcement, Jackson, you can chat about this. Uh, the Bootcamp deposit deadline is approaching. [00:08:30] I am getting so, so excited for Bootcamp. How about you?

Jackson :           Yeah, this is, um, <laugh>, it's a lot of work. I'm not gonna lie. It is a lot of work to get ready, but I am excited about it. We have, we still have a few spots left, open. The deadline to register is this Friday, the 23rd. Now, if we still have spots open after the 23rd, we're gonna keep them open to you. But this is the, the primary deadline. If you've made a deposit, you're gonna need to pay your balance to [00:09:00] secure your seat by the 23rd. Um, so that is a critical date. If you don't, uh, make that deposit, we'll refund your, if you don't pay the balance, we'll refund your deposit. We'll open up your seat. We do have a few seats still left and we've had some, uh, some students that failed their July exams who have just registered. It's not too late to do that.

Jackson :           The B the Bootcamp will be October 14th and 15th here in Celebration. It's a live two day event June and Megan will be joining me. [00:09:30] Um, and, uh, Megan will be doing writing training. And again, in a small group, this is incredibly valuable and June will be doing mindset coaching, and she's got some surprises as always. Uh, that's why we call her the fairy godmother. She's already told me about some of the things that she's gonna do and, and presence that she's going to bring. And I'm gonna teach you how to PhotoReading and how to Mind Map and how to put all that together. And, you know, one of the interesting things, Megan is I've seen, [00:10:00] um, a fair amount of results coming in. We're gonna talk about some today, including Florida, but I'm seeing people missing by just a point or two or three, it's really close.

Jackson :           And I know that there's enormous frustration when you get that close and you don't make it. And we're in this very difficult bar exam environment, and this is more and more prevalent, but the truth is if you're that close for goodness sake, put the resources in and get yourself over that finish line. You you're just don't [00:10:30] quit on the five yard line. And that's what a lot of people end up doing, or they say, well, I'm almost there. I won't have to do as much. That's not true. You need to make a big push to get over the top. Now, typically when you're a couple points under passing, if you make that big push, you get way overpassing and you go, how did that happen? But that's the reality of the bar exam. So if you came up close on your bar results in July, or anytime in 2022, and you're thinking, I don't know, does Bootcamp make a difference? Yeah, it makes a huge difference. If you're trying to figure out [00:11:00] how to gain 2, 3, 4, 5 points, are you kidding me? You should be a Bootcamp. I, I, I, there's no question about it based on our historical, uh, record. You want to add anything to that, Megan?

Megan :            Yeah. I just think that Bootcamp it's for everyone in part, because it's so individualized. So that's the reason why that it's like, no matter where you are in it, if you're sitting here thinking, gosh, I don't know if it's for me, because here's my situation. X, Y, Z. It really is because what happens is I have been [00:11:30] working on my piece, but I can only work so far on the stuff that for the people who I know are coming, right. So as people get added, I'm like, all right, great. What jurisdiction are we in? What's their background? Have they done personal writing workshop? Have they done any coaching with me or with Jackson? Have they done anything with June? And I kind of am tailoring what I'm gonna be doing to the actual individuals who are gonna be there. So if you find yourself Saia, and I know same with Jackson and with June. So if you find yourself saying, oh, I'm not sure if it really fits my particular circumstance, it really does. Because [00:12:00] what we do is we mold it to exactly the people who are gonna be there. Uh, and that's the way we've always done Bootcamp. And it's one of the things I love about it so much is that I'm able to work with people directly where they are, but in an environment where we're also collaborating, which is so fun and unique. And I love that.

Jackson :           Yeah. And I don't think there's any way to express to you what it's like to have June and Megan and I in the room working together, there is a, uh, uh, an interplay. There's the [00:12:30] ability to connect at different levels. So I might be doing something with PhotoReading and June senses that somebody's having trouble. And they're, they're just giving up and she's gonna come beside that person and get with them. Or Megan might be saying, you know, I can see you're struggling with your Mind Map. And here's how you do it. That kind of hands on coaching is invaluable. In addition to which, if you, if you have PhotoReading, I'm gonna make you a better photo reader. If you have never, PhotoReading, I'm gonna teach you to PhotoReading and I [00:13:00] can teach you better in person than anybody can teach you online. That's just the reality.

Jackson :           So if you come, I will, I will be able to get you to the point where you are comfortable as a PhotoReading. And I think that's a huge part of it. So please don't shortchange yourself. Don't shortchange your bar prep. You're gonna be really mad if you come up short on the next exam and you go, man, I, you know, what else could I have done? Well, you could have come to Bootcamp and, you know, I it's, it's [00:13:30] just something I think you should do. Now. I know a lot of you're saying, well, I don't think I can afford it. I don't think you can afford not to do it, to be honest. And so, you know, we've tried to make this pretty affordable. We're gonna cover all your meals. The only thing you gotta do is take care of, uh, hotel. And there's lots of hotel options in the Orlando area at a lot of different price points.

Jackson :           And you gotta handle your transportation for a lot of people. It's a drive into Orlando, so they don't have to fly for other people who have to fly. There are still pretty good airfares available. Uh, we've got you, you know, Friday [00:14:00] and Saturday, so you can get outta here at a, a reasonable hour and, uh, keep your, uh, expenses to a minimum. So again, we really hope you join us for Bootcamp. Uh, please don't get shut out. We, we are limiting this to 15 students. That's one, five. I think Megan, when we first started doing this, we were up at 40 or 50 students. So this is a huge, huge shift for us to go to such a small environment. And I think that's part of the reason the three of us are excited is we actually are gonna know who's there and what you need, as you said, and we're [00:14:30] gonna tailor this to your needs.

Megan :            Yeah. It's gonna be a great opportunity. So I'm really excited. I'm excited about the people who I already know are coming. Uh, some of you I've worked with in smaller, uh, sort of person writing workshop, or maybe one conference sort of stuff. Um, some people are brand new to me and I'm really excited to, to get, to see how you write and see how I can help you. So it's gonna be great, super excited. Um, alright. So with that said, let's turn two results. We got a lot this week. I'm gonna [00:15:00] try to move through them fairly quickly. Um, and then when we get to Florida, uh, which is the last one I have, then we will have a bit more of a deep dive with Jackson, cuz of course we know we have a lot of Florida students. All right. So I'm not gonna lie to, you looked a little bleak, uh, for most of the states that came in this week, um, that was, it was a rough week.

Megan :            So first up we have Idaho with the 64% overall pass rate last year, it was 62. So that's good. A little bit better. Nebraska also went up. They had, um, they [00:15:30] actually had great numbers, 80% overall up from 72%, uh, 82% first time takers, 38% repeaters. That being said last year, 56% of repeaters passed. So smaller jurisdiction, but just, I wanna note that, that the repeater pass rate did go down. Uh, Kansas has a 75% overall pass rate. That was really pretty much on par with last year. Um, they had an 8% repeater rate down from 39% last year, again, [00:16:00] small jurisdiction, but really obviously huge drop in the number of repeaters who passed.

Jackson :           Yeah. And I, I wanna jump in a little bit and talk about those two results in Kansas and Nebraska. I think part of what we're seeing, tell me what your sense is Megan. But I think what we're seeing is, uh, bar discouragement. I think a lot of people are just giving up and they're not going in to take the exam when they're repeaters, they've seen that 20% or less number for repeaters and they're giving up. And I talk [00:16:30] to a lot of people who are thinking about taking the course and, and resetting, and the big thing that I'm trying to get them to understand is you don't, you're not a victim of these numbers. You don't have to live in these numbers. Our students are doing better than this. Um, what you need to be able to do is have a different approach to your study. But I think a lot of people are just thrown up their hands and saying, it's an unfair system and I can't beat it and they're walking away. And so we get these really small numbers of people.

Megan :            Yeah, I think too, what, and [00:17:00] I know Jackson, you've talked about this for years and it's backed up by the study that the New York board of law examiners did that. What they found is for repeaters, you have to do something different. So if the first thing you did did not work for you, that's okay, but you can't continue to sort of drive into that same wall over and over and over again. You need to find another strategy. And so that's what we try to offer. Our students is a different strategy, a different way of writing, [00:17:30] a different way of approaching the multiple choice, a different way of studying a different way of putting together a schedule and a way to manage their studies on the lead up to it because it's kind of like, let's find something that's a different path forward for you. It's okay.

Megan :            And I don't want people to spend time or waste time beating themselves up over gosh, the, the traditional path didn't work for me that way that everybody does it. I somehow it didn't work for me. Well, that's okay. Clearly [00:18:00] we're seeing very low first time repeat or first time taker numbers as well. Um, so it doesn't work for a lot of people. That's okay. It's not any sort of indictment of you, but let's not try and keep doing the same thing over and over again instead let's try a different path. And so that's what we try to provide for our students, which I think is why a lot of people find it to be successful for them is that it's like, it's not that there's anything magic in what we're saying, but sometimes it's just, Hey, if that didn't work, let's, let's sort of shake up things a little bit for your brain. Let's [00:18:30] get out of this funk so that you walk in feeling confident and feeling like, Hey, I am prepared and I'm not just gonna do the same thing that I did last time and see the same result.

Jackson :           Yeah. And I talked to a lot of people that took other courses and they, they failed and then they retook them and they got the same result and they, you know, then they, they bailed because nobody else offers a lifetime pass guarantee. I think we're the only company that does that. And so then they, they just start giving up and, or as Megan said, they just keep trying [00:19:00] to do the same thing over and over and over again. And that's what you're seeing in these numbers. These are people who are not coming to Celebration part of you. They are people who are trying to do something on their own, or they're trying to, to repeat the same old thing. And the numbers don't lie. You are not gonna pass this exam very easily. If at all, if you're just doing the same thing that didn't work for you already.

Jackson :           So even if you're in our course, when you, you take our course, we might suggest different approaches to you like Bootcamp or other things that [00:19:30] you can do to enhance your study. But we don't want you doing the same thing over and over again, if it's not working. And I just find that just so frustrating and so heartbreaking don't you, that, that people just keep banging their head against that wall. And we see these numbers and you've got a couple other states where the numbers are pretty miserable as well. So the repeat numbers don't lie. You, you are not going to pass this exam, doing what you did before traditional bar prep for Peter just doesn't work. There's there's no, there's [00:20:00] no universe in which you can say, Barbara Kaplan, Thema, adaptive bar, cetera, that their repeat bar taker forces work. They don't the numbers tell you that they don't.

Megan :            Yeah. So let's look at the next states, um, seeing really similar things and even harder in some of them, um, Utah came out 84% overall pass rate. This is just down from 86% last year. So really right on the money almost. But again, there was a 15% repeater pass [00:20:30] rate down from 37% last July. And then in Vermont, they had a 50% overall pass rate this year down 54% down from 54% last year, they had a 60% first time taker and a 0% repeater. So, uh, yeah, I will say caveat, cuz I saw that those numbers that's a first, I've never seen 0%. Um, I want to just couch that with, I believe there were fewer than a hundred takers [00:21:00] overall in Vermont, in July. So this is a very small sample size. And again, this is the stuff, um, I tell you guys this, cause I don't want you to panic, but I want you to do something different.

Megan :            Right. And I want you to take it seriously too. I see a lot that people think not by the time they, you know, when they come to us, they're serious and they're ready. Like all of you are like, okay, I'm in. But I do see a lot of the sort of feeling out there of okay. I failed the first time. That's okay. It happens. I'm [00:21:30] just gonna do a little more, right. That's all I need to do is just a little bit more. And I think when we are seeing 8% repeater, 15% repeater, 0% repeater, it's clear that it's not just, oh, I'll just do a little more, I'll just work a little harder. Like that's not the problem, you know? So, um, so I say that as hopefully a comfort and <laugh> an encouragement to you guys that I think you are trying to do something different.

Megan :            You're trying to, um, not just work harder, but work smarter. You're [00:22:00] trying to help and work with us to diagnose what do I need help specifically with that's what I love again about Bootcamp too. It's not just, Hey, here's the one size fits all. That's our course is not that way. Right. We, we really don't believe in one size fits all for you guys on the bar exam. We really try very hard to give you a wide variety of tools because we recognize that not every tool is gonna be for every repeater. Right? So for some of you, you PhotoReading is the key that unlocks [00:22:30] it for some of you it's writing workshop for some of you it's mindset, right? For some of you, it's all of that. And that's fantastic too, but we know that and we recognize that and we wanna provide you with the tools with a variety of tools so that you can pick and say, okay, where am I needing to change my methodology? What is not clicking for me? And what can I sort of try to boost this score? Because yeah, I mean, these there's just no way around it. These repeater numbers are [00:23:00] terrible and they're not showing any signs of getting better as time goes on.

Jackson :           Yeah. Did you see the Missouri numbers?

Megan :            Um, I'm not sure. I didn't see any this week was that last week.

Jackson :           I think it was last week. What I'm seeing is Missouri had a 71% overall, but a 13% repeater rate. And that was in comparison last February. It was a 51% repeater rate. So again, we're, it's the same thing. And Missouri's usually been a pretty good state for repeaters, but we're clearly seeing [00:23:30] in the UBE, those a lot of those were UBE states. If you're a repeater, you're up against it. I mean, don't, you know, the, the, the Wolf is at the door. I don't know what the right analogy is. The, you know, the sheriff has come knocking. You are, you are in trouble as a repeater and you need help. And if these numbers don't scare them, but Jesus out of you, I don't know what will cuz they are pretty, it's the worst I've ever seen. I mean, frankly, I, I can't remember time. Can you Megan, where we saw repeat numbers like these?

Megan :            No, it's certainly [00:24:00] not 0% and 8%.

Jackson :           No, that's pretty awful. Um, and that's before I get to Florida, <laugh>

Megan :            So Florida, well, Florida's interesting because they often do not release the repeater statistics. They're kind of funny. They're very stingy about their statistics. So we may eventually get some more statistics from Florida, but here's what we have so far. Um, so Florida had a 51% overall pass rate. This is down from a 61% overall re uh, [00:24:30] pass rate last July. So down, that's quite a significant jump Jackson rate down 61 to 51%. They had this time, a 64% first time taker pass rate that's down from a 71.6% pass rate last year. And then they did not release any repeat statistics for this exam. Yet last year it was a 21% repeater pass rate. So obviously we can looking [00:25:00] at the numbers overall. We would expect that the repeat taker statistics were lower than that 21% for this year as

Jackson :           Well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we definitely would. I, the other there's a lot to say about the Florida results. Um, let me start with this one piece and I've said it before, and it's so frustrating in Florida, the law schools in Florida, not all of them, but some of them play and interesting game. The way that Florida reports results is that you're only a first time taker. If you graduated, [00:25:30] uh, for this July exam, you had to be a graduate, uh, in the regular academic year. So you graduated in April, may, June, whatever it is. And you took for the July exam. If you graduated last December and the first time you took the exam was July. You're not a first time taker for reasons that don't make any sense. So what happens is in thank you, us news and world report and the other, you know, uh, the archers of, of school rankings [00:26:00] schools, play games.

Jackson :           What they do is they hold students out. If you're not a great, uh, student at law school or you had trouble, um, they offer you a stipend to study for six months or they do something to encourage you to sit out an exam and it might be your first time taking the exam, but you are no longer a first time taker. And so when you start to see some of these numbers, you're like, oh, what's what's up with that, right? I mean, we've got an 81% pass rate from one school and a 30% pass rate from another. [00:26:30] I don't think there's a 50% difference in the quality of the students. I think it's a difference in how they, uh, uh, who gets counted in the list and not. So that is an important caveat when you're looking at any of the Florida numbers. I don't think there's any other jurisdiction that does that, um, quite that way, but, but it's something to keep in mind.

Jackson :           So I think that that's a, that's a problem. And, um, I think that, you know, we have to be aware of that and [00:27:00] we have to, to, to factor that in, as we talk about it, there were about a thousand repeat takers in Florida. Am I right Megan? That was the, the rough number. And there were about, uh, what, 2200 or so, uh, first time takers or what they call first time takers. So this is a flip from February in February, it's two to one repeat takers to first time takers. So here we've got a higher first time [00:27:30] taker, uh, uh, cohort, but again, the rates are way down and as I do the calculation and this is the back of the napkin calculation. So it's by no means official, but I'm seeing a pass rate for repeat takers in Florida. That's about 20% that, that's my, that's my rough number. So, um, that, that's again, a very discouraging number. Um, what, what's your take as you look at the numbers?

Megan :            Yeah. I think what's [00:28:00] surprising and stands out to me just is that the 51% overall pass rate in Florida is more like what we've been seeing for the February exams in Florida? Yeah. Yeah. So I believe in the last two times, the February exam was given, it was 44% this February and it was 47% last February. So this 51% is really closer to the February, um, which is really discouraging because like you said, the February exam tends to have way more repeat takers. And so we expect those lower numbers just [00:28:30] across the board in every jurisdiction, February has lower numbers, um, because you have more repeat takers in February. And so, uh, it's just not a great trend over, certainly that we're seeing in these jurisdictions, these super, super low overall rates, because of course, some of that is lower first time taker rates, but the vast majority of what's driving, this seems to be, uh, even lower repeat takers.

Megan :            And as the pool of repeat takers continues to grow and grow, right, [00:29:00] because there's so many people who take it over and over again, uh, we're gonna continue to see these pass rates go down as long as we sort of continue to have more and more people coming in, uh, trying to, to take the exam multiple times and failing, uh, the other interesting thing with Florida Jackson, I don't know if you wanna talk about this is that there are there's part a in part B. And so that is an, a unique situation where not everyone has failed both parts of the test, but [00:29:30] you still aren't passing if you only passed one, but then if you sit again, you only have to take the other part that you failed. Um, and so kind of, do you wanna speak at all about how that factors in with this?

Jackson :           Yeah. So you have the ability in Florida is Megan said to take part a with Florida day or part B the multi-state day. Now, if you had a passing multi-state score in another jurisdiction in the last 24 months, you can wave that in. So you have a slightly skewed, uh, group that's already, uh, basically sitting for a one day exam in Florida. There were a [00:30:00] hundred, maybe six people that qualified to just, or just took part a, the Florida part. And that was a 55% pass rate. So it was slightly better than the overall. That makes sense to me, because if you pass the multi-state somewhere else, theoretically, you should be able to pass Florida, but still 55%, that's really nothing to be excited about. That's a pretty crappy number. And then if you took only the multi-state, there were 231 people that took multi-state only.

Jackson :           So they had passed Florida theoretically, uh, [00:30:30] in a previous exam. And they were just sitting for the multi-state. There was a 36% pass rate there that is really, really low. And that, that is troubling to be sure. So I've talked to people that strategically said, I'm only gonna sit for one part of the exam or the other. That's not a great strategy. You should sit for both because the overlap of subjects is so great. The amount of study you do is enough that I think it's incremental to, to take both parts of the exam and to get the compensatory model. But these numbers tell me that if you just took part a only, or you just took [00:31:00] part B only, you've got some challenges ahead of you. And certainly we see people on this last exam that pass part, a fail part B or the other way around.

Jackson :           And so they're gonna study and just take the one exam, but you really gotta to our earlier point, you gotta lean into it. You can't just coast your way through, even if you're just a point or two below. So I think that's part of what, what goes in the other thing I think we have to talk about Megan with Florida was the craziness that occurred right before the exam and the, [00:31:30] the Florida examiners. I, I don't have a nicer way to put this and I'll probably catch some flack for this, but they were, I thought, um, unfair in posting right before the exam that all of the Supreme court decisions of 2022 were testable. And all of the new rules that went into effective Florida on July 1st were also testable. Remember, this is an exam given on July 25th and yet on the exam, as far as I can tell they didn't test any of that. So I [00:32:00] think it's almost hazing. I think it was something that had no value whatsoever. The examiners knew what was gonna be on the test. There was no reason for them to make that announcement. It didn't allow people to prepare for something. It actually distracted them. And I think it had an impact. Don't you?

Megan :            Yeah. I'll be really interested to see what the numbers look like next July, cuz I think that's the best way to test that out is like if this 51% was really an outlier, then that means something happened. And I think the clear [00:32:30] answer to what happened would be, yeah, right before the exam came out, the examiners told everyone that they needed to study and know this whole new series of laws and every Supreme court case from the newest term, the most recent term. So I think that's, uh, something that we're definitely gonna keep our eye on for next July to see if we jump back up. Right. We were at 61%, we drop down to 51%. If we jump [00:33:00] back up again, I think it's pretty clear, uh, that, that would've been sort of the intervening <laugh> cause as it were that that, uh, contributed to such a low pass rate.

Megan :            Um, there's really no other way to explain it. Unless of course we just continue to stay down in these low, low places, but either way, certainly, um, you know, we've said this before that Florida asked their examinees just before the exam to do something that no other examinees anywhere else [00:33:30] in the country were asked to do, uh, which was to absorb and understand an entirely new body of law just a week out from the exam. Uh, we prepared our students Foret but it certainly took time away from their studies in other subjects. And of course, like you said, Jackson, the examiners knew the entire time that none of it was actually on the test. So there was really no harm, uh, in just letting it lie as they've done every other year with, um, Supreme court cases. That, I mean, obviously [00:34:00] we know they're always announced in the summer, we always have new Supreme court decisions coming out in may and June. Uh, this is nothing new this year. Um, and instead this time when the UBE UBE, excuse me, came out and said, you are not required to know this information for the July exam. Florida came out and said the opposite, even knowing that none of it would actually show up on the test. So yeah, it's is kind of cruelty for no discernible purpose,

Jackson :           That's it? It just doesn't make any [00:34:30] sense. And so, you know, I'm angry, right? I mean, I, I, I, and I wanna congratulate our students the past. It was an incredible accomplishment and, and congratulations to all of you. I hope we'll be able to do some interviews and, and share some of those stories. But I, I have to say it was a dramatically weird decision by the, the examiners. I've never seen anything in 30 years like it, and it has no appreciable reason behind it. And so [00:35:00] you really have to wonder what's the relationship between the bar examiners and the applicant community. And I, I just think it's, uh, I think it's wrong and um, you know, we're gonna do our best to get you prepared and work, but again, if you think that you're going into a happy, supportive, loving environment to take the test, I, I need to, to, you know, realign your ideas here.

Jackson :           This is a very miserable, miserable exam. Um, and [00:35:30] I'll say what I've said for a long time. If you don't have to sit in Florida like California, get out, take the UBE. I mean go somewhere else and take those exams. This is just silliness. And, uh, yeah. So there you go. So I'm gonna catch, I know I'm gonna catch how, when that gets out, but I, I just, I, I don't think it can go unremarked that it was a completely unnecessary step and I think it does have an impact. We'll see, as you say, next year, we'll see what the, the results are, but these results are not good. And, uh, so what [00:36:00] does that tell us, Megan, as we look forward to New York, Texas, New Jersey, Illinois, DC, I mean, we've got some big jurisdictions and California and Georgia. Can we, can we read anything from these numbers that we've just been talking about today across the country and in Florida as well?

Megan :            Yeah, I honestly wouldn't yet. It doesn't look great, but these are other than Florida, it's mostly very small jurisdictions that have come out. And so, and we do know that Florida is an outlier in some ways, um, just like California, [00:36:30] right? We know California's numbers are gonna be low lately. We felt that way with Florida, that the expectation should be that they're not gonna be very good numbers. Um, so we will have a better sense. I think when we get New York, for instance, that's a really helpful one. I think more of, a bit more of a bellwether. Um, Texas is helpful. Now that Texas is UBE. It's a huge jurisdiction. I think that's helpful, but it's not, um, as difficult for instance, as California, right. California sits on its own. You know, [00:37:00] don't read anything into it. If you're, you know, looking at the California results, thankfully they come at the end anyway.

Megan :            So it's, you know, less people freak out about it less. Um, but I think the I'm gonna channel June here. The thing to do, no matter what, as you're waiting for results is to control your emotional response to it, make sure that you're aware of what's happening, aware of how you're feeling and take care of yourself. Okay. So, um, controlling your emotional response, not meaning don't have any bad emotions or [00:37:30] hard emotions about this, but instead be aware of how you're feeling. And then, uh, be honest with yourself about how you're feeling about it. And then don't sit and wallow in sadness, anxiety, anger, fear, right. Um, go ahead and do the things that you need to take care of yourself, uh, as you wait for the results, unfortunately there's no magic crystal ball here that we can look in and tell you whether or not you're gonna pass. Um, so there's really nothing you can control about it at this [00:38:00] point. Uh, if you feel like you wanna start studying again, because you felt, and based that on you, on your, your response to the exam, not on these statistics from other exams, but if you feel like I, I feel a little uncomfortable with my performance on the test and you wanna start studying again, it's available for you. Um, but don't do that as a panic response, looking at the numbers from other states.

Jackson :           Yeah. I think that's good advice. I mean, you know, we talk about these numbers. We try to give you the [00:38:30] update and the insights that we've got, the numbers, the sample sizes in the UBE are still too small. We don't have any big UBE jurisdictions reporting yet. And that's typical and what's going on in Florida may or may not be, uh, transferable to anywhere else. So I think Megan's advice of look at yourself and where you think you are, is really the most important. Don't try to, to prejudge this. And if you're looking at social media, just, you [00:39:00] know, take it with a grain of salt, there's a lot of, a lot of panic and a lot of, uh, hyperbole there. Um, and I'm not sure that it's necessarily helpful to beneficial for you. Yeah.

Megan :            All right. So let's turn in our last five minutes here to some, we just had a couple of student questions, um, and I think we'll be able to zip through them fairly quickly. Okay. Alright. Jackson, does every subject come with essay questions? Do I get to practice essays in the course?

Jackson :           Yeah. Regardless of what course you're in, [00:39:30] in our course, there are Saia questions where they are part of the exam. So in Florida, there's essay questions in California and Georgia. And Uve all you have to do is follow through the study guide. Sometimes people start jumping around and they try to figure it out and cherry pick, and then they get confused. If you just follow through assignment by assignment, you'll get to everything we'll assign work to you in every section. And we'll give you plenty of essays to do in every part. Now there are some subjects that are multiple choice only in certain jurisdictions. And we'll [00:40:00] point that out where that's the case. So don't overanalyze, don't overthink it. It's all all there for you. We've done it before I promise we're not missing anything.

Megan :            Great. All right. Next is a July, 2023 student. Who's already says they're struggling to start prepping for their exam, um, which this is a talk to, you should talk to June because if you're stressed about, and you're July 20, 23, should not be stressed about your schedule yet, for sure. I mean, never get stressed about your schedule, but definitely [00:40:30] not. Um, almost a year out from the exam. So this student said, uh, do you think I should take the NPR E before my bar exam or wait until after the bar exam?

Jackson :           You know, it doesn't really matter if it would relieve your stress to take the MPR E first, just to get a test under your belt, by all means, do it. You get a couple of opportunities. There's a November test coming and you can register. I think you can still register for that one. And then there's a test right after the, uh, February exam. So I think it's in March of 2023, [00:41:00] and then there'll be a test in August of 23, which you'll get the results back before you get your bar results back. So it doesn't really matter. Um, the MPR E Megan does the teaching there. She's probably better capable of saying this than I am, but I think it's about 30, maybe 40 hours of total study time. So it's not a huge amount of study time to get ready for that test. And it's basically a compliance test. You're not gonna have trouble passing it. I mean, I don't think so to me, it doesn't really matter. Do you have a feeling one way or the other Megan about it?

Megan :            [00:41:30] I think it's good advice of where would it be, be helpful for you. So if you're already stressed about your test more than a year out, would it be helpful to get the NPR done with then go ahead and get it done with, um, but if you feel like it would be one more thing on your plate, then that's okay. There's no right or wrong for that. That's a good question. All right. Next question. Is, is there a way to get just one book sent to me?

Jackson :           No, <laugh> I wish there was, uh, you can order the book from amazon.com. It'll probably cost you a hundred dollars, [00:42:00] but really the best thing is each book has, um, like multi-state books have three subjects in them. So multi-state book one I'm looking up here is con law, crim law and real property. You can get the outlines are in PDF and digital form in your online course. So just go to those three subjects in your online course, and you'll have a button there to download the outline, three outlines to print, and you could print 'em out that way. I wouldn't spend the money to just buy a single book, but we do the, all the, the book printing is on demand from Amazon [00:42:30] and we only, uh, order full sets. So we're not able to help with a single book.

Megan :            Great. All right. And then last question is a great one. Uh, I received my July results and was unsuccessful. What happens now? What should I do next?

Jackson :           Yeah, a couple things are gonna happen. First of all, as Megan has said, you shouldn't be discouraged and you shouldn't give up. I will prepare a personalized video for you as soon as I get your score sheet. So sometimes people send me an email and they say I failed. And I appreciate knowing that, but I need the scores [00:43:00] in order to do something. So I will make a video for you. It's usually five to 10 minutes in length. I'll go through the scores, I'll explain the score sheet and I'll make recommendations for you based on what I think you should be doing. And I may talk to Megan or June before I do that. And, um, we will give you the outline of what we think you should be doing next in general. It's to get started. And it's right now putting in about 20 hours a week of study.

Jackson :           So those are two recommendations we would make, generally we will say, don't skip anything, make sure you're working through [00:43:30] all of the steps and building up from there. We might recommend PhotoReading to you. If you didn't use that before, we might recommend some coaching, uh, for writing, if you need that particular work. And right now we're, we're telling you to come to Bootcamp. I mean, I think that's the number one thing you can do, and I'm glad to see we've got some people, uh, in fact, it looks like we had some people just, uh, uh, paying for their Bootcamp while we were talking today. So, um, it, that is a big, big step to take. And that's what I would recommend. Do you have recommendations for [00:44:00] people as they're restarting up?

Megan :            Yeah, I think that's great. Um, it's good. You have plenty of time. And so I think a lot of it is gonna be take a deep breath and recognize that there's no need to panic right now. And there's no need to sort of cram it all in. You have plenty of time, but work methodically. Don't look at the calendar and say, okay, great, I'll start it in November. Right? Or I'll start it even saying, I'll start it in October, which is gonna turn into mid-October, which is gonna turn into well [00:44:30] after Halloween. Well, after Thanksgiving. Right? So go ahead and get started. Now I'm gonna be a broken record this year of saying that future. You will appreciate it. If you start the work now, rather than waiting, uh, it happens every year with the July exam we hit, or I'm sorry, with the February exam, we hit the new year and people panic because it felt so far away.

Megan :            And then they get through the holidays and suddenly it's gonna be 20, 23. And they're gonna feel like the bar exam is happening imminently. [00:45:00] Don't do that to yourself, please. Okay, go ahead. If you know that you need to retake, then that is a gift that you have tons and tons of time. And there are thousands of people literally across the country who are jealous, because they're like, they're gonna find out that they failed and they will not have the luxury of this time. They won't find out they failed until right before Thanksgiving. Right? So use this time wisely. It doesn't mean you have to be putting in 20 hours a week if that's not feasible for you right now, but [00:45:30] you need to be putting in consistent work. That's really what I wanna see from people is consistency.

Jackson :           Yeah. All right. Well, we will be back in two weeks. Uh, hope everybody, uh, continues on with their studies and continues to move forward. Uh, remember Bootcamp deadline is this Friday. Don't miss out. It's a big deal. And uh, if you need anything, reach out and let us know. Thank you Megan, for being here. Thank you June for being here and being on the chat box. Hope everybody has [00:46:00] a great couple of weeks and we'll see you. It will be in October. Won't it? Wow.

Megan :            It will. Yes. Yeah. Have a wonderful couple weeks, everybody.

Jackson :           Yeah. Yeah. Thanks very much. And we'll see you in two weeks. Bye-bye

Megan :            Bye.